Saturday, July 28, 2007

Coffee with ThoughtFix 5 - Instant On



This one is all about the need for "instant on" devices.
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7 comments:

Rob said...

great video! totally agree on the suspend feature, power issues, too.

thanks for the link..

Hong Kong Phooey said...

Well nice video there. Agreed to the point you making there. Also tried out couple UMPCs and notebooks. The latest one I have, the SOny UX-27, comes out of hibernation in around 20sec (windows pops), fully function (after the harddisk loads up) in about 45 sec. As for the sleep mode, all up in 30sec. So far the best I've seen.

tso said...

its interesting how on both the foleo and N800 linux is a snap to and from standby/suspend.

while over on the X86 they are having issues after issues.

could it be that the X86 hardware platform, with its ACPI and all that is having trouble compared to ARM, that have been used in mobile devices for ages now (even the iphone use arm, and it can, from what i understand, play flash video without much problems).

it could also be somewhat os related.but there i dont have a clue about what steps windows takes to go into standby or come back from it.

Karel "de Google-Jazz" Jansens said...

My Fujitsu Stylistic 4120p tablet pc will stay powered for three days and more in suspend mode. Once in a blue moon, it'll futz up coming out of it.

Still, it's the only couch-based device I can watch online videos on: I will not upgrade my N800's firmware to something that can destroy my hardware and UKTube only works occasionally for me (UKMP doesn't work at all).

So, instant-on may be nice, but I think we've evolved past the point where we should accept less-than-optimal performance in exchange for instant-on.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you, instant-on is a huge factor in user experience.

I find it funny how few people realize this, it seems people never look at wake up times if they're buying a laptop for instance. If I tell them it is important, they always look at me like: "dude, are you that impatient? it's only a couple of minutes!". But since for me it's only a couple of seconds, I can quickly check my mail or a document, whereas I couldn't if it took a minute.

What I don't agree on is your technical statements. There is nothing wrong with te power management specifications on x86. Apple's laptops prove it. Lasts a week in standby easily, sleeps within a second after closing the lid, and is up in 2 seconds after opening the lid.

So why doesn't an ordinary Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc. running windows do this? Because users (think they) don't care. Maybe the windows platform is a problem, windows itself is probally fine, but the 3rd party drivers are not. Standby times are probally the sole responsibility of the hardware manufacturers, especially the mainboard.

So, this is not a technical problem, it's social. The way to solve this problem is by telling people they should care.

Milhouse said...

Two tips

1. Wear a t-shirt with your URL as the logo in your next video

2. Get a coffee bean grinder for extra freshness - I recommend the Gaggia MDF burr grinder, it's top quality! I would never go back to pre-ground coffee beans now even if someone paid me. :)

I believe ultra-low power saving/deep sleep states (which are available with ARM) are something of a challenge for Intel right now and something they are addressing heavily as part of the MID (moblin.org) platform. This Nokia presentation on power management goes into some detail about what is involved in conserving power on ARM.

Anonymous said...

True what previous poster said, I own a Mac, and it's as instant-on as it gets. About 2 seconds of wait time and Boom! wifi and external devices (mouse, external HDDs) all up that instant.